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#241 Jeanne

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 11:57 AM

Do you have critique partners or beta readers? Get someone who is not a close friend or family member to read the entire book. Your ideal readers are either other experienced writers or readers who love the genre you write. If you have readers who have never done this before, you can give them a simple questionnaire to fill out asking about the concerns you have regarding plot holes, character development, etc., but don't give it to them until AFTER they've finished the book.

 

Start with by getting some feedback. Once you have that, you can develop an editing plan. Before you think about hiring an editor, you should clean the prose up, polish the story, and bring it to the best level you know how. That way, an editor can focus more on structure and development and less on grammar, spelling, syntax, and other nit picky problems.

 

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#242 Thrash

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:26 PM

Ugh-- a year later and I'm still doing this rewrite.  I feel like I'm having one eye focused on the trees and one eye on the forest and not getting much more than a headache.  I'm making progress, kinda, which is not something I was able to say a month ago.  But it's hard to tell at this point what's usable progress and what's just making a mess. 



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:48 PM

So I sent the MS of WINTER'S QUEEN to two different beta-readers earlier this year. One got a partial draft in April, the other got the full MS in February. Neither of them have gotten back to me about it yet, and it's now October. How long should I wait before going ahead with revisions as I see fit? Should I try to nudge them into responding, even if they say "sorry, I no longer have time for this"? Or should I just find another beta?


There's too much blood in my tea system. Time to put the kettle on.

 

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All projects except WINTER'S QUEEN are currently on hiatus until further notice. Thank you!

 

Queries:

Winter's Queen: http://agentquerycon...een-ya-fantasy/

Tenth Realm: http://agentquerycon...e-epic-fantasy/

Low Road: http://agentquerycon...orical-fantasy/

Moonhunter: http://agentquerycon...ya-xenofiction/

Song of the Sea: http://agentquerycon...sea-ya-fantasy/

My Soul to Keep: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/

Dancing On Edges: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/

Bellringer: http://agentquerycon...ringer-fantasy/

 

Hooks:

Winter's Queen: http://agentquerycon...tasy-hook-help/

Tenth Realm: http://agentquerycon...k-epic-fantasy/

Low Road: http://agentquerycon...fantasyvampire/

Moonhunter: http://agentquerycon...ya-xenofiction/

Song of the Sea: http://agentquerycon...ong-of-the-sea/

My Soul to Keep: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/

Dancing on Edges: http://agentquerycon...asy-query-hook/

 

Synopses:

Winter's Queen: http://agentquerycon...een-ya-fantasy/

Tenth Realm: http://agentquerycon...ntasy-synopsis/

Low Road: http://agentquerycon...fantasyvampire/

My Soul to Keep: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/


#244 Thrash

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:16 PM

The search for a great beta reader can be hard. Myself, I'm a terrible beta reader. If you have revisions in mind, go on ahead and drop them a note. If you want more notes before you continue, seek out a writing group.



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:24 PM

I do have revisions in mind, but implementing them is a bit impossible at the moment. My laptop's hard drive fried a few months ago, and while I did get the MS backed up along with everything else, I have nowhere to restore all my stuff to. I also have a copy of the MS on Google Docs, which I can't access on the library computers I've been using these days. They all run on IE, which for whatever reason won't load Google Docs properly. Bit annoying. :/


There's too much blood in my tea system. Time to put the kettle on.

 

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All projects except WINTER'S QUEEN are currently on hiatus until further notice. Thank you!

 

Queries:

Winter's Queen: http://agentquerycon...een-ya-fantasy/

Tenth Realm: http://agentquerycon...e-epic-fantasy/

Low Road: http://agentquerycon...orical-fantasy/

Moonhunter: http://agentquerycon...ya-xenofiction/

Song of the Sea: http://agentquerycon...sea-ya-fantasy/

My Soul to Keep: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/

Dancing On Edges: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/

Bellringer: http://agentquerycon...ringer-fantasy/

 

Hooks:

Winter's Queen: http://agentquerycon...tasy-hook-help/

Tenth Realm: http://agentquerycon...k-epic-fantasy/

Low Road: http://agentquerycon...fantasyvampire/

Moonhunter: http://agentquerycon...ya-xenofiction/

Song of the Sea: http://agentquerycon...ong-of-the-sea/

My Soul to Keep: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/

Dancing on Edges: http://agentquerycon...asy-query-hook/

 

Synopses:

Winter's Queen: http://agentquerycon...een-ya-fantasy/

Tenth Realm: http://agentquerycon...ntasy-synopsis/

Low Road: http://agentquerycon...fantasyvampire/

My Soul to Keep: http://agentquerycon...porary-fantasy/


#246 Leta Darnell

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 10:17 AM

Too much is going on this month and next to do any writing I planned.



#247 Billy robbins

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Posted 04 July 2015 - 01:36 PM

Has anyone had their menu script reviewed by a professional editor before querying?

In Atlanta at our writers group we've had a couple of published writers speak who had their book professionally edited before seeking an agent and it helped them.
I'm in the third edit my book The Road to the Real World. I have a query posted, but I feel like I need to layer in some description, and make an edit of just the dialogue. The I have a query posted, but I feel like I need to layer in some description, and make an edit of just the dialogue . The story is 40 chapters, an adventure – mystery, and after 20 chapters I layered a chapter of Adventure with a chapter of mystery in different points of view. I felt more comfortable in the adventure, and need to make a special and it of the mystery to beef the tension.
After spending quite a bit of time I am interested in getting your ideas about having a professional editor look over the manuscript before making submissions. Billy

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 01:25 AM

I am in the middle of drafting novel 8 but it is a different genre than I have written in before so I am learning quite a lot as I go.
Recently surprise subplot showed up. It will lead the novel somewhere I am nervous to write. i do not usually do action or thriller type scenes but I think I am going to have to due to unexpected subplot. Excited and scared.

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 05:45 PM

Do you ever get close to the end of novel--3rd or 4th or maybe even 5th rewrite and tweaks and revisions and everything--and find yourself slowing down in the last read through, as if you're afraid to call it done? Been working on making this book work for years, and frankly I need to finish it and put it away whether it works well at this point or not and start on something new. But somehow I can't seem to get myself to do this last little bit--and I'm talking taking out "really"s and putting in commas. Anyone get "finishing" cold feet?



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Posted 07 May 2016 - 05:38 AM

It is hard to let a book go. I always struggle with figuring out when I am really done.

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 05:22 PM

I could so use some support these days. My book just refuses to be finished. Oh I have queried it a time or two and honestly I am happy that I got No's back, though it hurt a bit at the time. I was pretty green back then, and did not realize how much rewriting it needed. Four years later and I am still tearing apart entire sections to rewrite them. When I started this book I never dreamed I would still be working on it this many years later.



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Posted 31 May 2016 - 11:19 AM

Do you have an idea for a new project?  Sometimes its okay--and necessary--to put it down and walk away.  I struggled with a revising a book for years and recently "finished" it. I worked on it so much my confidence is next to nill about whether it's really done, but I'm not looking at it again until September at the earliest. (Though I am querying it).

 

Write out a list of changes you know you want to make and make a timeline for making them. When you've done that list, put it away for a while. 



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Posted 31 May 2016 - 05:24 PM

This is not to be misunderstood as a suggestion to give up by any means. Write everyday you can. When the project makes you want to throw up your hands, makes writing seriously no more fun even a little, work on something else until its at least a little fun again. 



#254 JeffJustWrites

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 12:57 PM

Hey everyone, I'm looking for someone to proofread the first 25 or so pages of the novel I'm shopping out. Just got a rejection today in which the agent said she wasn't as completely drawn in as she had hoped. Must...rectify.....situation....

Please and thank you!! :biggrin:

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:20 AM

I have practicaly given up writing anymore. After coming to a pretty hard brick wall with revising my main manuscript I have had little to no time to work on any writing at all. My worst problem with my main script was trying to write in the conflicts.

#256 Michi MacMichael

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 12:29 AM

Jeff, one rejection doesn't mean much of anything.  Sometimes they use canned responses.  If the agent didn't elaborate, it's hard to guess what didn't draw them in or why.



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Posted 08 August 2017 - 09:01 PM

"wasn't as drawn in as I hoped"  is standard form language. It doesn't mean anything beyond that. 






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