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#1 mwsinclair

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 04:37 PM

I was poking around one of my old (1995) books on writing NF proposals and came across an interesting point I'd forgotten: researching books that are already out of print and those not yet in print.

It said you must check out Bowkers Books in Print and Forthcoming Books in Print. I've got to find the notes on finding books out of print, but I'll share that here too. In the meantime, feel free to add resources your fellow writers might find useful.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 08:23 AM

Do they mean for when you do your title comparison in your proposal? Is that why you are looking up all these other books?

I've been told that the latest and greatest way to compare is to use Amazon and their ranking system for what is out there. Anything with a ranking of 100,000 or better is considered competition. So, if you are writing a cookbook, all those with a rank of 100,000 or better are comp. Same goes for math activity books, etc.

The problem is something can be ranked 180,000 one day and 99,999 the next. So, it isn't a perfect system, but it gives you an idea.

Now about forthcoming books...that's tricky!

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#3 mwsinclair

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:04 AM

I've not searched this particular site yet for out-of-print books, but I know of the site's fine reputation in general

http://www.oclc.org/...ooksinprint.htm

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:09 AM

Yes, that's about assessing the competition -- what's out there, what's been out there, and what's in the offing. As you probably know, having competition is actually a good thing. It means that there's a market. This would be included in the proposal.

Sometime soon I intend to start a thread about the elements of a nonfiction book proposal. Even though the market assessment tends to be about four of five steps into the overall proposal, it's often a good idea to do it first to make sure that one actually has a market for an idea.



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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:26 AM

Totally, Matt. Plus, a proposal takes a whole heck of a lot more time than one thinks and it sucks to have your query hit a mark and then be like, um, can you give me a couple of weeks to put together a proposal?

I just finished mine, so if you want, I could start a few threads. What do you have in mind for organization? A different thread/topic for each part of the proposal?

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#6 mwsinclair

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 12:09 PM

I like the idea of writing the proposal first, or at least doing the research of the concept before writing the query. The query certainly goes out first, but as you discovered, if the agent likes your idea, they will want to see a proposal.





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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:41 PM

Yep, exactly. Plus, writing the proposal can help you narrow down your query and pinpoint what the highlights are, best marketing angles, the holes in the market, etc., etc.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 03:25 PM

Here's another resource. Strictly speaking, it's a journal

Creative Nonfiction

http://www.creativenonfiction.org/

This is another term for what's also known as narrative nonfiction. Personally, I think I prefer Creative Nonfiction; it seems a more accurate term, since not all of this genre is necessarily narrative.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 12:56 PM

This is posted under the proposal section as well, but I thought I'd post it here too.

Books and Such Literary Agency blog rocks my socks off. Even though they are Christian based, the information is solid and informative across the board.

Here's a link to the first in their series on book proposals.

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#10 mwsinclair

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 04:34 PM

Here's another potential resource: I can't say I've read it, but I suspect it speaks for itself.

#11 mwsinclair

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 04:15 PM

This is a thread that I will try to feed on a more regular basis.

Christina Katz has written a book called Get Known Before the Book Deal and I've seen good reviews about it, though I can't say I've read it yet.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:09 PM

Another good resource in general is Rachelle Gardner's blog, but this post has some great information regarding platform.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 04:55 PM

Some new and notable nonfiction for November ...



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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:16 AM

Not specific to nonfiction, these tidbits and pointers are helpful to all

http://www.poynter.o...ols-quick-list/




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